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Uncle sweethear - That Pro-Consumer issue.FWIW I think it is 'the ability to bring back the pics.' If you rely upon a consumer camera you risk failure, whereas the stouter, stronger Pro-gear will take a few knocks. Also being heavier they are more stable (partly needing a decent tripod with fluid head).and their lenses do allow much adjustment. ((The notion that TV footage is done on a consumer camera may be right.but you don't make 1-hr films using that gear, unless conditions are just right.
What you can do is get-in/out easily and that's where the Consumer camera wins for News gathering. It is slightly annoying that the features filmmakers want are only available on pro-gear. But that's life, since most 'consumers' just want easy point-and-shoot.all that faffing about with editors.
Isn't where those cameras are going. That's why 1-year on we still read of 'issues' when editing high def stuff.even on decent PC's. What is movinig 'up' the quality stakes is DSLR - and it won't be long before Canon/Nikon will be carving up the middle ground with quality stills which permit quality footage for hobby users. The DSLR will have a modest zoom, sharp focus and specialist lenses for good-weather (like v.close-up). Their prices seem high to me, when similar pixels are sub £500 ( so-called zoom Compacts) and decent full-frame stuff is £2k-up. But IMHO few Pro movie-cameras take decent stills and are very bulky with silly prices for memory/batteries.
So only pros can afford them. Wait a year and DSLRs may become the answer our 'gear' dreams. Already Nikon has gone over to SD - only Canon sticks to expensive memory - why? Click to expand.It's hard with these camcorders to really do much more to improve them, certainly without moving to a different price bracket and customer base. They added 1080p on the 700 series which gave a good improvement in capturing video, but you can't up the resolution or frame-rate any more as there is no point as nothing to watch it on. Adding better quality lenses just puts the price up with little benefit, a bigger zoom would need a bigger camcorder and people like the small size and the already have this market covered with more pro-consumer cameras. The only thing they could really add is 3D, but this is basically a marketing drive as HD TVs are at the point where you can't improve them so everyone is happy with their product, and so how do you get people to throw away perfectly good TVs and replace them, spin some other gimmick.
For me I upgraded from the 300 to 900 because I wanted the wider angle lens and 1080p recording, I wouldn't have upgraded from the 700 to 900. The TM300 is a great camcorder and if you are happy with what it does, no reason to replace it. Click to expand.If you are bringing your footage back into an editing package than the Zoom H1 is a great bit of kit. It is it's own recorder, recording in CD quality or better on flash memory. It can be attached to the camcorder (need the accessory kit for it) or used separately. You will need a 'dead cat' for it when outdoors, (check Ebay) as otherwise it will be affect by the wind just like the mic in the camcorder.
Search YouTube for examples of what it can do. It's no good if you don't bring your footage back to a computer to edit, as you need to match up the audio and video on a timeline then export out your finished edit. Otherwise to connect to the camcorder something like a Rode gun microphone would do the job.
Note that the microphones on the Panasonic are pretty good, so the benefits of an external mic that is still attached to the camcorder might not be that great. The main benefit is you can stick a big dead cat on it and stop wind noise, not quite so easy to do with the internal ones as effectively although it is possible. Also the small form factor of the camcorder can mean the microphone it's into the shot on wide-angles. Hope that helps. Regards Phil.
Well, I oficially joined the owners club a few weeks ago with the purchase of a SD900. I can say that I am very very happy with what the camera can do. Even point-and-shoot has become very tempting now as it really does produce good quality and the camera does the right adjustments automatically. I still have to explore the camlera a bit more as I have some other projects going on at the same time, but the camera is a major leap into the future compared with my old SD5 camera.
For the first time, when I play the footage on my 46' flatscreen and I sit about 2m in front of it, I got the feeling that the camera offers a window on reality. That is a weird sensation I never had before. The surround sound of course is also essential in this. I did not see any negatives at the moment, apart from a few minor ones: - Low light sensitivity is OK and about 100x better than on my SD5 but I guess still not first in class (perhaps I do not know what to expect). There is no battery charger that allows charging the battery separately. A bit disappointing - My previous camera also had this, but it seems that in some conditions the camera needs some time to adjust when switched on.
After say 10 seconds of recording color temperature can change from 'cold' to 'warm'. I guess owners know what I am talking about?
Can be quite irritating. Anyone got a solution? Well, I oficially joined the owners club a few weeks ago with the purchase of a SD900. I can say that I am very very happy with what the camera can do. Even point-and-shoot has become very tempting now as it really does produce good quality and the camera does the right adjustments automatically. I still have to explore the camlera a bit more as I have some other projects going on at the same time, but the camera is a major leap into the future compared with my old SD5 camera.
For the first time, when I play the footage on my 46' flatscreen and I sit about 2m in front of it, I got the feeling that the camera offers a window on reality. That is a weird sensation I never had before. The surround sound of course is also essential in this.
I did not see any negatives at the moment, apart from a few minor ones: - Low light sensitivity is OK and about 100x better than on my SD5 but I guess still not first in class (perhaps I do not know what to expect). There is no battery charger that allows charging the battery separately. A bit disappointing - My previous camera also had this, but it seems that in some conditions the camera needs some time to adjust when switched on. After say 10 seconds of recording color temperature can change from 'cold' to 'warm'. I guess owners know what I am talking about?
Can be quite irritating. Anyone got a solution? Click to expand.The auto white balance takes time to adjust, not sure why, I think all camcorders I've owned seem to take a good few seconds. Once it has set itself it's usually okay in the same conditions the next time, until conditions change completely and it needs a bit longer to realise the lighting conditions have changed. Low light is always an issue, but when you think that it is essentially taking 50 photographs a second at 1/50th shutter speed, even the most expensive SLR would be struggling in very low light at 1/50th of a shutter.
The 700 series had a separate charger pack, but it seems to be a cost cutting thing to charge in situ now and then they can bundle a bog standard power supply. The other factor is more and more of these camcorders are being used professionally they are that good, taking away sales from the more pro range, and a pro/semi-pro will be wanting a separate charger and extra batteries, so Panasonic claw a bit back that way. I agree with the 'window' into another world, that is what it feels like when you watch footage back. Regards Phil. Hi The auto white balance takes time to adjust, not sure why, I think all camcorders I've owned seem to take a good few seconds. Once it has set itself it's usually okay in the same conditions the next time, until conditions change completely and it needs a bit longer to realise the lighting conditions have changed. Low light is always an issue, but when you think that it is essentially taking 50 photographs a second at 1/50th shutter speed, even the most expensive SLR would be struggling in very low light at 1/50th of a shutter.
The 700 series had a separate charger pack, but it seems to be a cost cutting thing to charge in situ now and then they can bundle a bog standard power supply. The other factor is more and more of these camcorders are being used professionally they are that good, taking away sales from the more pro range, and a pro/semi-pro will be wanting a separate charger and extra batteries, so Panasonic claw a bit back that way. I agree with the 'window' into another world, that is what it feels like when you watch footage back. Regards Phil.
Greetings everyone! I hope everyone had a good weekend. I have a question about the Panasonic TM900. I have been trying and killing myself for weeks now to pick a camcorder to buy by the end of April. I narrowed it down to the Canon HF G10 just released and the Panasonic HDC TM900.
I have been staring at what video footage I could find for both on vimeo and youtube. And there is simply one thing that is bothering me about the Panasonic and I cannot put my finger on it. I have been shooting photography for years as a hobby now and almost exclusively every video I see from the Panasonic appears. Like it should be bumped up a stop or stop and a half. The darks are WAY dark, to the point they lack any detail. And it looks like the video was shot with a circular poloraizer on. I could take any random frame from the videos I have watched and I would increase the exposure a stop at the least to brighten it up.
I cannot tell if it's me, my monitor, or thats just how the TM900 shoots. As an example so you know I am not crazy, an owner in another forum posted this vid from his. Specifically if you go to 3:12 you will see a tree with railing next to water a river of somekind. Notice the tree and railing are.completely. black.
There is zero detail in the shadows its just pure black. In the tree trunk and the railing. Its like someone took a photo and with a box cutter cut the tree out of the photo and the railing too and placed it on super black paper. Now perhaps it is my own ignorance of how things work in the video world and if it is let me know. But you can't tell me that tree has no bark or detail at all on its trunk. Same with the railing. The rest of the shot that has light looks fine.The water, the boat, the sky.
It's like the tree and railing are completely under exposed but the rest of the scene is fine. Is that just how the TM900 'sees' blacks?
I see the same thing in every source of TM900 video i have found on the net. Blacks are super black and devoid of detail, and the scenes look like they were shot with a circular polorizer on them and it winds up 'muting' the brightness of the entire video. I can't tell if I am going mad from looking at all this footage non stop or if thats just the way the sensor in the TM900 is. I'm not the greatest photographer in the world but I know that even dark objects have detail and nuances in lighting on them. But I have not seen anyone in the panasonic forums mention this at all. Tell me I am not crazy! Sincerely, Chris.
Greetings everyone! I hope everyone had a good weekend.
I have a question about the Panasonic TM900. I have been trying and killing myself for weeks now to pick a camcorder to buy by the end of April. I narrowed it down to the Canon HF G10 just released and the Panasonic HDC TM900.
I have been staring at what video footage I could find for both on vimeo and youtube. And there is simply one thing that is bothering me about the Panasonic and I cannot put my finger on it. I have been shooting photography for years as a hobby now and almost exclusively every video I see from the Panasonic appears. Like it should be bumped up a stop or stop and a half. The darks are WAY dark, to the point they lack any detail. And it looks like the video was shot with a circular poloraizer on. I could take any random frame from the videos I have watched and I would increase the exposure a stop at the least to brighten it up.
I cannot tell if it's me, my monitor, or thats just how the TM900 shoots. As an example so you know I am not crazy, an owner in another forum posted this vid from his. Specifically if you go to 3:12 you will see a tree with railing next to water a river of somekind. Notice the tree and railing are.completely. black.
There is zero detail in the shadows its just pure black. In the tree trunk and the railing. Its like someone took a photo and with a box cutter cut the tree out of the photo and the railing too and placed it on super black paper. Now perhaps it is my own ignorance of how things work in the video world and if it is let me know.
But you can't tell me that tree has no bark or detail at all on its trunk. Same with the railing. The rest of the shot that has light looks fine.The water, the boat, the sky. It's like the tree and railing are completely under exposed but the rest of the scene is fine. Is that just how the TM900 'sees' blacks? I see the same thing in every source of TM900 video i have found on the net. Blacks are super black and devoid of detail, and the scenes look like they were shot with a circular polorizer on them and it winds up 'muting' the brightness of the entire video.
I can't tell if I am going mad from looking at all this footage non stop or if thats just the way the sensor in the TM900 is. I'm not the greatest photographer in the world but I know that even dark objects have detail and nuances in lighting on them. But I have not seen anyone in the panasonic forums mention this at all. Tell me I am not crazy! Sincerely, Chris. Click to expand.It is a pretty common problem with video and film, there is a limited dynamic range and nothing can see in the way our eyes do. I can't say the Panasonic cameras are any different that respect.
Panasonic cams do have an intelligent contrast option that helps shadow areas contain more detail. Also there is a difference in many cases between watching clips on your computer and on your TV, some computer graphics cards/drivers do not display the colour space correctly from H264 encode footage, so you may get very contrasting images, or washed out images. I was taking pictures at the weekend with my SLR in the garden with a shadow down one side and had the issue, I could expose it so that the light and dark areas were both acceptable. Edit: at 3:12 you have that very bright reflection from the water which the camera has exposed for, but that means the shadow of the tree just becomes a silhouette. Even if you were stood there your own eyes (which would probably be watering from the brightness of the sun reflected in the water) would have done a similar thing, you'd see no detail in the tree. In a professional scenario if the tree needed to have detail, graduated filters and or a polariser would have been used to greatly reduce the brightness of the reflection from the water to even things out, if a subject was stood by the tree reflectors would boost the light level on them, or they probably would have waited until the reflection of the sun was no longer an issue.
Regards Phil. Fan noise + High-end Camcorder thought for Xstyle.
And Contrast FAN Not sure we need to worry about ext mic sockets, if we use external recorder (like PhilipL's H1, or my PalmTrack which has better battery-life, DYOR). Therefore, the Pana 700/900 'Fan noise' isn't a big issue, although it seems pretty dumb of Pana - I conclude there is a heat-issue with the video-chip/processor, perhapse due to the small size of these chips and excellent perrformance Pana has achieved.
As stated elsewhere, I bought the Still+Video NEX5, so I can use my Nikkor lenses, although the wideangle is still surplus as my camera kit included 16mm f/2.8 which is the same (equiv) as the larger Sigma WA. The NEX5 soundtrack is pretty useless (although they sell a clip-on mic at £100.).
This will force the serious user to record separately. If used 'out of shot' a PalmTrack is functionally pretty close to having a 'wireless mic' with unlimited range. Also, the sound-man can control the levels and needs no AGC which can be a pain. (although this is available if req'd).
In effect, the need for better-sound rather forces us to ignore shortcomings in Movie-camera mics and get gear dedicated to the task. Sony Vegas has (as do other Editors), the ability to drop-in sound files. Perhaps using the Camcorder to provide a 'master audio-timeline'.
So far I'm still trying/getting to grips with the Demo DVD that came with the Platinum 10 Production suite. Oh yes, I do miss many 'Camcorder features' +Comments invited. High end - Have you dismissed the front-heavy Sony GH10?. This has interchangeable lenses and comes with a big 12x zoom PLUS four mics.
I'm sure you can adjust EV setting to brighten the shadows, but you risk burning highlights and 'generally' highlights should be preserved, since the eye is attracted to bright areas. The issue of more-contrast may be due to manufacturers selling fancy plasma-TVs (etc), so they preserve it, whereas many of us would prefer it to be reduced. +Sure, some contrast can be adjusted at Edit except if shadow detail is missing the 'only' solution is to use fill-in reflector light (eg Lastolights), but this is fraught with difficulty in crowds. 'Still photoghphers' are used to having 'fill-in' flash which works a treat on close-shots.
I carry LED work-lights for movie-use, but can't say yet if they are up to it. What case's do you use for these models? Assume it would be the same for the SDT750?
Dimensions are 7x7x14cm. Searching Google and came across this on Amazon, seems ideal as a day bag only (Tamrac Aero 92); some people have used it for the SD60 (6.5x6.5x12.5cm) and Canon HS200 (8x6x12.5cm) There is also a slightly larger case, for a whole more accessories (Tamrac Aero 94): whats your views guys, and also what have you got? I'd like a day case for travels, and one for all the cables & accessories. Edit: Just seen the VW-PS56XE-K on two different sites, but two different pictures I dont mind the larger bag being like that, but would like the daily carrying case to be like the Tamrac 92 in vertical placement. There is a really cheap one here, PS57XE-K, but bad reviews: Also, others mentioned on AVSF. I'm guessing many camcorder users don't worry too much about sound.as long as it sounds good.
But on-camera recordings are limited and introduce noise that a separate close-mic will avoid. The user (Crasius), that was recording their local Brass Band - if this is for their fundraising, then they will be keen to achieve the best sound - this needs separate mics (depending on the piece), dead cats (depending on the venue) - why not record in a church/church hall where the external noise will be minimal?
This amount of signal won't fit on a camcorder audio track, so an external recorder is essential. Pros will use multi-tracks but that's serious money (but can be hired, along with the mics and sound-operator) - starts to get serious, but consider that the saleability of the DVD will increase and so will your reputation! Try not to mix when recording, Far better to keep the mics separated.
Audio 3D effects are only phase-processed and can be done later, even if the originals are mono. FWIW, on a limited budget -I'd be inclined to buy a Zoom(or PalmTrack)SD audio-recorder, rather than a fancy mic. The recorder offers so much more flerxibility also it allows the camcorder to be moved about, without snagging cables! CASES: several small bags are easier to handle (rope in helpers) and pack better in your car. If you can, colour-code them so you know where essential bits are. Strong handles/shoulder straps make it easier when on the march. I note that pros tend to use bags that work like a suitcase - put down to open and refill, this helps avoid accidents.
Still keen to get one of the xx900 in the next few months - probably an SD900. As such, i am looking for good quality SD cards to go with it. This camcorder will be used for a trip-of-a-lifetime to Disneyworld in Florida with our 6 year old. The Panasonic cards seem extremely over-priced so i was looking for good quality, very reliable SD cards to go along with it. I dont mind paying a bit extra for a good, solid, reliable SD cards but, again, the Panny cards are over-priced for what they are. Could anyone recommend some good quality SD cards that would work very well with this camcorder - or should i just go with the hard drive based unit?
Many thanks Matthew. Still keen to get one of the xx900 in the next few months - probably an SD900. As such, i am looking for good quality SD cards to go with it. This camcorder will be used for a trip-of-a-lifetime to Disneyworld in Florida with our 6 year old. The Panasonic cards seem extremely over-priced so i was looking for good quality, very reliable SD cards to go along with it. I dont mind paying a bit extra for a good, solid, reliable SD cards but, again, the Panny cards are over-priced for what they are.
Could anyone recommend some good quality SD cards that would work very well with this camcorder - or should i just go with the hard drive based unit? Many thanks Matthew. Click to expand.I'd recommend the Transcend Class 10 cards, seem as reliable as anything else. It would be worth checking them on a computer by formatting in Windows then using some big files and try and fill it up as much as possible, then use the Tools option and do a full scan including bad sectors. This gives chance for any problems to show up straight away. After the check format the card in the camcorder ready for use.
Buy several smaller cards rather than one big card, this gives you some protection against a single card failing, you'll still have some footage. Alternated the cards each day to spread the footage amongst them. Even better if you are taking a laptop or netbook, then use a card reader and back up the files to the laptops hard-drive as an extra fail-safe.
Handle the cards by the edges and never touch the gold connections. I've never had a card fail yet, so sensible handling and precautions they are pretty robust.
The hard-drive based unit is really all eggs in one basket (unless you are regularly copying files out to somewhere else), and hard-drives being mechanical are not immune to physical damage, so personally I much prefer SD cards. Hope that helps. Regards Phil. Hi Phil Thanks for taking the time to reply.
I had seen the Transcend cards, but they just seemed a bit TOO cheap compared to the official Pany cards - can you imagine the grief I would get if we all got home and were met with the dreaded 'this volume is not readable by this computer' type of message. However, you appear to be a very knowledgable chappie so I will certainly consider these cards - unless others disagree.
As for checking the cards on a computer - i am primarily Mac based but i can boot into Windows 7 via Bootcamp and have a utility called something like HScheck - which i guess i can check the cards with. Thanks again for the advice.
Hi Phil Thanks for taking the time to reply. I had seen the Transcend cards, but they just seemed a bit TOO cheap compared to the official Pany cards - can you imagine the grief I would get if we all got home and were met with the dreaded 'this volume is not readable by this computer' type of message. However, you appear to be a very knowledgable chappie so I will certainly consider these cards - unless others disagree. As for checking the cards on a computer - i am primarily Mac based but i can boot into Windows 7 via Bootcamp and have a utility called something like HScheck - which i guess i can check the cards with. Thanks again for the advice.
Click to expand.The Panasonic cards are extremely overpriced, and will probably just be re-branded cards made by someone else. Kingston is a brand that is well known and trusted and similarly priced to Transcend.
The problem is memory cards are just branded items and rarely if ever made by the company that's stuck it's name on it. Also those companies that might actually make the SDHC cards, will not necessarily make the memory chips that go inside, again they will be sourced from different manufacturers. So I think the best option is to go with what sells the most, as any batch, sourcing or production problems will show up quickly. The Transcend Class 10 16GByte card has over 300 reviews on Amazon, the vast majority are 5 star.
There are reviews where people have reported various problems or complete failures, but you find that with all memory cards and in many cases problems will be handling issues. Possibly the safest bet is to just by a few different brands. Enjoy the trip.
Regards Phil.